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Mar. 2nd, 2007

  • 12:19 PM
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One of the freeview channels here has been repeating 'Robin of Sherwood' recently, and I've found myself watching it again.
 
It's been fun, but yesterday I suddenly realised I was watching the last episode before Michael Praed f*cked off to Dynasty to play Prince Michael of Moldavia - the episode where Robin dies. I saw that first when I was seven, and I was very, very heartbroken, and I still don't tend to watch that episode unless I'm feeling, er, grounded enough. The death scene makes me flinch, even now. The thing is, at the time, I flatly refused to watch the following series, with Jason Connery, and I still haven't. They're playing that series from today, and I'm tempted, but I don't think I will. I loved the gang, all of them, and I love the production, the costumes, the sets, the baddies - but it feels like... well, mostly it feels like I would be trampling all over a promise I made and really, really meant at the time, even if the reasons for it were entirely personal and aren't so important to me now.
 
I've loved various incarnations – it's something that has been done well, or at least differently enough to be interesting, at several different times. My mum adored the 60s version – I don't see the attraction myself, but I bet I would if I'd grown up with it (if only for the theme song). I've read various versions – poems, books, etc – even 'Ivanhoe'. I love the Errol Flynn version – swashbuckling galore. And I love the Disney cartoon. And 'Robin and Marion', with Sean Connery and Audrey Hepburn – it's beautifully sad and autumnal. I liked, somewhat guiltily, 'Maid Marion and her Merry Men', and 'Robin Hood: Men In Tights' ("Unlike some other Robins, I have a genuine English accent," hee-hee). These are all very, very different. I also enjoyed 'Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves', although not for their Robin, and not for the fact that they seem to have stolen chunks of it from 'Robin of Sherwood', and certainly not for the Ewok treehouses or the dubious use of catapults. I mainly liked Alan Rickman chewing the scenery. "No more merciful beheadings..."
 
However, because I've loved those versions, I've also really, really hated it when I feel they've got it wrong. There was a series produced by the same people who did 'Hercules' and 'Xena, Warrior Princess', that was just... appalling, for reasons I will resist going into. And the recent BBC production. I'm sorry if anyone on my flist likes it, feel free to ignore me because this is purely personal and definitely an overreaction on my part, but I hated it. I hated the attempt to lever in modern issues (and yes, admittedly RoS did that too, on occasion, but they were a lot more subtle about it). I hated the cute modern haircuts (and I do see the irony), and the modern-but-not language. I got what they were trying to do – make it relevant, etc – but they went about it in such an unsubtle way, like they were sticking up a big neon sign to say: "Look! It's a parallel with the Iraq war / immigration issues / etc!" Also, I wanted to smack that stupid smirk off his face. And why did he spend all his time looking through his eyebrows at everyone? Had someone glued his chin to his neck? And why was Marion such a Mary Sue?
 
Sorry, sorry, I'm overreacting, I know. It was probably okay, in its way, and the Robin Hood stories have always, always been altered to fit with the issues of the time. I'm just very fiercely possessive about Robin Hood. There were things about 'Robin of Sherwood' that were bad (Robin's acting, sometimes, and his varying accent, and his lovely hair, and the mysticism that was occasionally put on with a trowel, and the unspeakable folk dancing). But their teamwork was fantastic – all the little incidents that just showed the gang bonding. The costumes were great, the sets were authentic (far more so than a lot of expensive Hollywood productions, purely because they filmed in real castles and built almost nothing). The writer's knowledge of British legends was wonderful and thorough (Wayland the Smith? Excellent). The bad guys were interesting, and realistically complex – the amoral, political, clever Sheriff, and Gisburne the none-too-bright, resentful bully, always willing to blame someone else for his mistakes. I could have watched entire shows with just interaction between the Sheriff and Gisburne and the Abbot, (When the Sheriff gets married! "This is a wedding, Gisburne, not a celebration!"), or just the Merry Men messing about in the woods. Oh, and the woods – they actually looked like English woodland, because they were. It's a surprisingly rare thing.
 
Oh, and I nearly met Michael Praed once. I was working at a casting studio, and he was due to come in. Talk about butterflies – it's not every day you get a list that tells you, "In two hours you will meet the man you hero-worshipped for years, and who you're apparently still not over. You will have to look him in the eye and ask him to fill out a casting form with his telephone number, address, and vital statistics. You will also have to take his photo. You will have to be professional about this. It is your job. There is no escape." But the bastard never turned up. :S It's probably a good thing - I might not have survived the experience.

edit: I offer pictorial illustration. No adjustment was made to these pics, aside from the added words. This was the horrible-yet-lovely pink filter they used. Pics from Robin's death scene. *sobs*

  

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[identity profile] rigel-7.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2007 01:15 pm (UTC)
*pets Alan Rickman*

After all it was he who introduced me to my very fine spoon-of-heart-digging-out-doom

I'll never forget having a sales conference in Nottingham and purposefully wrapping the meeting up early so I could go and do all the touristy Robin Hood things :D
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2007 01:22 pm (UTC)
*g* Did you go to the Tales of Robin Hood? It's a kind of kids museum thing. I went there when I was... definitely old enough to know better. I still have the archery certificate they gave me. :)
[identity profile] vickyocean.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2007 02:04 pm (UTC)
The Disney Robin Hood is my all time favorite Disney movie. I wore out 2 video tapes of it when I was a kid. I recently found a House video where House and Wilson are running around the PPTH to the Oo-de-lally song. It made me happy.

I never got to see Robin of Sherwood because we didn't get it over here as far as I know. I remember reading articles about in Starlog and being disappointed that I couldn't see it.

Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves would have been much better if Kevin Costner had no been it. He really can not act his way out of wet paper bag.

I downloaded the first two eps of the new BBC series and I really didn't care for it at all.
[identity profile] vickyocean.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2007 02:10 pm (UTC)
Oh, and did you ever read Lady of the Forest and Lady of Sherwood by Jennifer Roberson. I really enjoyed those, though not the second as much as the first. I tried to read Maid Marian by Elsa Watson and I couldn't get through it. The characterization was just so Marian or Robin.
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2007 03:30 pm (UTC)
Ah, yes, Kevin Costner. His acting is the same whether it's a 1990s baseball movie or 12th Century England. So pleased he makes the effort. /sarcasm.

With you on loving the Disney movie. Robin of Sherwood you kind of needed to see at the time - the effects are too noticeable and 1980-TV-cheap for our more sophisticated times, but bearable if you've got rose-tinted glasses, as I do. But the costumes and sets are still perfect, IMO, because they're basically really authentic, so you can't much improve on that. It might be worth watching if you're into Robin Hood - it has some good moments. The Sheriff and Gisburne are particularly fantastic, on repeat viewing.

I think I read Lady of the Forest, it sounds familiar, but I don't remember it. I was a nut for anything Robin Hood for quite a while - still am, somewhat.
[identity profile] lady-draco2005.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2007 03:19 pm (UTC)
Oh man, Maid Marian and her Merry Men...I love Tony Robinson so much.

It's funny how we do these things. I can't watch the Land Before Time I anymore because I BAWL my eyes out when Little Foot's mum dies, and then when he sees the tree star and then when he thinks his shadow is his mum...

OMG I'M GETTING TEARY!!!
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2007 03:33 pm (UTC)
Hee. I kind of fancied the Robin in that... but only 'cause he reminded me of Michael Praed, with that hair. It was silly fun.

Cartoons make me cry, every time. Live action not so much, but I'm a total sucker for the cheesiest of sad moments in any cartoon, no matter how badly done. Don't know why. I've not seen Bambi, and won't, for that reason. *g*
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[identity profile] sjhw-tolerance.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 2nd, 2007 10:11 pm (UTC)
Are you from Nottingham? Or near? Your passion for Robin reminds me of [livejournal.com profile] dannylurks who lives in Nottingham and feels very protective of him.
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 5th, 2007 08:37 am (UTC)
Ah, no. I'm from London. I just always really identified with it, for some reason. I lived in a wood (in a house in a wood, I mean) for a large part of my childhood, so that's got something to do with it. I wanted to be one of the Merry Men when I was little. *g*

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