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  • May. 18th, 2008 at 12:40 AM
pepper: Pepperpot (Peculiar bent of my nature)
There was a (Sam/Jack) Stargate writer on ff.net who took her stuff down fairly recently, and has seemingly disappeared, making a few people sad that they couldn't read her fics any more. Luckily, some people (including me) had her stuff saved to their computers, and could share it. When I first got into Stargate, I would save fics to my harddrive, mainly because I wasn't on broadband at home, so had to download stuff and read it offline. I have a fair amount of stuff archived from then (mainly Sam/Jack, but not entirely). I've been thinking about that. And now I'm going to ramble in your flists about it.

I was thinking about an author's rights over their work, and how that works with the internet. See, thirteen years ago (good god), I was posting my first fanfics to the interweb, and back then, I used my real name. It still comes up when I google myself, because it got archived on a website. Did I give permission? I can't recall, to be honest. I did email them, a couple of years back, to ask them to take it down, but they didn't, nor did they reply. The email I used to post it has long since been deactivated, so I don't know how I'd go about proving that I am the author.

(It's even more irksome because the formatting has disappeared--I didn't know that I needed to turn off SmartQuotes at the time, so all those apostrophes and speechmarks have vanished. That probably bugs me the most, to be honest. I don't want people thinking my grammar was bad! *g* It's probably contributed to the way I obsessively switch off of most of Word's bloody annoying automatic correction things on almost every computer that falls into my hands.)

Every now and then that fic makes me paranoid. What if potential employers do a search for my name? What if my work colleagues look me up? My friends and family mostly know and don't give a damn that I wrote and still write fanfic, so I'm not worried about them. Solutions to my particular story problem have occurred to me as I write--I may email them and ask them to just change the author name. If I can get into a dialogue with them, hopefully I can convince them that I am me. Hell, I may even offer them a properly formatted version. I'm happy for it to be up there, just not under my name.

So, when I was offering my saved copies of someone's fics, I felt a little guilty. I don't know the circumstances under which she decided to take the stuff down. Do I have the right to effectively act as an archivist? Then again, if someone has read her stuff and wants to re-read it, is there any point in them not having it? Clearly they already remember the author's name and something about their stories. And I'm forever remembering lines from books, or from fanfics, and having to trace them because I really want to remember the rest--losing this stuff permanently drives me bananas.

I'm mostly just rambling here, and really not trying to come up with a definitive answer--I'm sure it's different for everyone who puts work out there. Some people are savvy from the start, and always use an alias. Some people don't care if the world and its brother knows they wrote Mulder-and-Scully-as-kids fic. Some people are highly protective of where and how their work appears, and some people just send their work off into the ether with a pat on the back and their best wishes.

What do you guys think? When an author has clearly tried to wipe their work from the internet, is sharing it a bad thing? Under what circumstances is it bad--and when is it fine? Is anyone who tries to remove anything from the Net just kidding themselves that it'll ever disappear? Because, seriously--I never thought my story would still be around, thirteen years later.

On the other side of the fence, how would you feel if someone shared your stories with other people, even after you'd withdrawn it? Would you feel like they really loved your stuff, or would you be annoyed that people weren't respecting your boundaries? Is there anything you do--or wish you'd done, or would advise new fanfic writers to do--to make it clear how you feel about how your stories get distributed?

Comments

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[identity profile] surreallis.livejournal.com wrote:
May. 18th, 2008 01:30 am (UTC)
You know, I get the whole idea about wanting to respect people's wishes. And I think if someone explicitly states that they want their fanfic to go away, then so be it. (And I TOTALLY get the idea that authors might want to take down or change fic where they've used their real name. I think as a community it should be good manners to comply in that case.)

But I think if there's an author who is so freaked out over posting fanfic, and they want rigid control over it? The internet is NOT the place for them. Even just emailing fic to friends or creating their own zine is going to take some control out of their hands. But, yeah, once the fic is out there it's out there. And unless some disclaimer is pasted on that conveys the author's wishes, I think it's sort of shareware.

It's freaky to think of your fic out there like that. And eventually it'll probably disappear as archives go down and fans lose interest or grow older.

I actually kind of grow wistful when I think of all the fanfic that's been lost over the years. If I love an author and I can tell they're sort of on their way out of doing the fannish thing, I sometimes ask for permission to save and distribute their fic as I see fit, with credit always attached of course, and they usually say yes.
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
May. 18th, 2008 02:00 am (UTC)
Yeah. Even if a writer posts stuff only to their own website and makes it clear that it's not to be archived elsewhere, ever, people will still save it to their computers. And if the writer then takes the stuff down, I guess they'd have to assume that, if people like and remember their work, it's probably going to still be findable if someone digs hard enough. Particularly through newsgroups and communities. The internet has a remarkably long memory.

That's cool that you contact the authors. It's a good way to do it. I guess some people move away and don't want to keep a fandom presence, but don't actually object to people still reading and sharing. Maybe it's not so much about people not wanting others to read their stories, but more about not wanting stories connected to someone's real name, or an internet name that they want to use for other things.

(I think the site that has my stuff isn't going away any time soon - I checked today, and it was last updated... today.)
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[identity profile] surreallis.livejournal.com wrote:
May. 18th, 2008 02:03 am (UTC)
Maybe a good point of advice for new fanfic authors who might be worried about this one day is to only allow fic on archives where you have to upload it yourself, and you retain control over edits and removal. Most archives are going that way these days, so it would be pretty easy to keep that rule.

It doesn't help you now, but it might help them.
ext_3314: Woman writing (Default)
[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
May. 18th, 2008 02:37 am (UTC)
Mm. And use an alias, even if you think you'll never fall out of love with this particular show / movie / comic / band / whatever, and will never ever ever have a reason to be embarrassed about the fic you wrote where the main characters all [insert cliche here]. :)

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