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Mar. 11th, 2009

  • 3:25 PM
pepper: Pepperpot (Jack Sam friends)
Because [livejournal.com profile] annerbhp's latest icon challenge got me pondering this on my bus in the morning:

Do you think that there can be non-shippy stories where Sam and Jack have sex? Or is that, by your definition, shippy?

As you know, Bob, there's not really a great deal of Sam and Jack friendship fic out there, and the definitions can be a little hazy anyway, with the difference in intent and perception (one person's UST is another person's friendly banter).

What I mean is... gen people, could you imagine reading/writing a Sam and Jack friendship fic where they are forced into that sort of relationship? Or, Sam/Jack people, could you imagine reading/writing that kind of fic, but without the UST angle - one where it's their friendship that they have to salvage? And without a happy ending where they're given permission by the Prez to break the frat regs. *g*

(And no, this is NOT what I'm planning to do for my [livejournal.com profile] jacksamfriends fic!)

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aelfgyfu_mead: Aelfgyfu as a South Park-style cartoon (Default)
[personal profile] aelfgyfu_mead wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2009 11:06 pm (UTC)
Forced? As in "aliens made them do it"? Do not want.

If you meant something else, could you please explain?

I like Sam'n'Jack friendship. I don't ship them. I've tried to read ship with them (partly because of my friends)--and I just can't do it. There are some ships I can take or leave, and mostly I leave those, but I can't take this one at all. No desire to see them sleep together under any circumstances. The kisses were (more than) enough.
ext_3314: Woman writing (Default)
[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2009 11:41 pm (UTC)
Ah, I do mean AMTDI. But do you think there can be non-shippy stories which deal with something like that? Not asking you to read them (*g*), but, as a gen person, do you think it's possible to write/read a storyline like that, but for them to be portrayed in the story as just friends/colleagues?

Think extremely strong alien mind-altering drugs and aaaaaaaaaaaaaangst, if it helps. ;)
aelfgyfu_mead: Aelfgyfu as a South Park-style cartoon (Default)
[personal profile] aelfgyfu_mead wrote:
Mar. 12th, 2009 12:28 am (UTC)
The problem there is that AMTDI is rape, and I have a very strong visceral reaction to that; I generally avoid rape stories. Occasionally I have read them--on purpose, even!--and I've seen some done well. Mostly, though, I prefer not to read them no matter how well done they are! I'm sure there would be loads of angst, if aliens made them do it, and they'd both feel guilty even though it's not their fault--I just don't want to go there.

I'm pretty gen about SG-1; I've dipped my toes in other things occasionally, and, interestingly, the only pairing I can stand is Jack/Daniel. I don't want porn, but I can't read anything, no matter how innocuous, with other pairings among SG-1. I don't know why. I read Torchwood (canon!) slash and some Primeval slash; even some SGA (there it's pretty much only Rodney/Carson). For a heterosexual, I have astoundingly little interest in reading het fic, come to think of it. (I do like Gwen/Rhys on Torchwood! I wanted Carson and Cadman to stay together! I liked Rodney and Katie for a while! The only one of those three that I read, though, is Gwen/Rhys, and not much of that.)
ext_3314: Woman writing (Default)
[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2009 11:47 pm (UTC)
(Oh, and I'm not talking about stories that are about the sex itself, necessarily - just ones that deal with that having happened.)
aelfgyfu_mead: Aelfgyfu as a South Park-style cartoon (Default)
[personal profile] aelfgyfu_mead wrote:
Mar. 14th, 2009 12:33 am (UTC)
I've been thinking some more, and I came up with an exception: I've read stories where the AMTDI is more like "Plants made them do it" or some variation, so it's no one's fault--that does not set off my "noncon!" button the same way AMTDI does. (I've seen: alien plant spores that overwhelm the human system, more than once; some little 'gift' left behind by Hathor; and maybe one or two other causes.)

I've read a few of these stories. I wasn't actually all that fond of any: most had elements I liked, but they all had elements I didn't like, and in most cases I thought those elements were extraneous (really inappropriate humor would be the recurrent one. Not funny, folks).

Seeing Sam and Jack deal with something like that, where no person made them do it, for "entertainment" or other nefarious motives, but they have to cope with what's happened--now that might be interesting.

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