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annerbhp's latest icon challenge got me pondering this on my bus in the morning: Do you think that there can be non-shippy stories where Sam and Jack have sex? Or is that, by your definition, shippy?
As you know, Bob, there's not really a great deal of Sam and Jack friendship fic out there, and the definitions can be a little hazy anyway, with the difference in intent and perception (one person's UST is another person's friendly banter).
What I mean is... gen people, could you imagine reading/writing a Sam and Jack friendship fic where they are forced into that sort of relationship? Or, Sam/Jack people, could you imagine reading/writing that kind of fic, but without the UST angle - one where it's their friendship that they have to salvage? And without a happy ending where they're given permission by the Prez to break the frat regs. *g*
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I was going to say... ;-)
Seriously, that's a tough question that I think will depend on individual readers. It's that grey area of gen...like the "Bob" category in the ship/slash/gen brou-ha-ha.
What I mean is... gen people, could you imagine reading/writing a Sam and Jack friendship fic where they are forced into that sort of relationship? Or, Sam/Jack people, could you imagine reading/writing that kind of fic, but without the UST angle - one where it's their friendship that they have to salvage?
Are you talking an AMTDI type thing? Or an odd friends with benefits that ended up having repercussions? I have read both, but more with Sam/Daniel, OT3, or various slash groupings than Sam/Jack...If it's the "friends with benefits/one time/unique situation", I tend to think of them as ship-ish. The AMTDI scenario...it all depends. I think it can be done either way, but it's tricky and would take a lot to be done well.
I was thinking AMTDI rather than a friends with benefits, hurt/comfort type thing - I'd agree with you in seeing those as ship-ish. (I'm prepared to believe there can be exceptions, but generally speaking.)
I was thinking that it's more likely that shippers would ponder the effect of AMTDI on their OTP (and whether it turns out to be bad or good is entirely author-dependent). It would be a hard thing to pitch as definitely friendship, I think.
It would. In my experience, anything with Sam and Jack in the same room alone gets pegged as shippy by people who don't like the ship. (Especially if the author has written S/J ship before.)
Yeah, I think I was considering the friends with benefit nature because that's a wobblier balance beam to play various sides.
AMTDI...I think you could ponder the effect on any kind of relationship--as coworkers or friends as much as if it could go OTP. The sex by its nature would be questionable/noncon so it's not shippy in and of itself per se, but the ramifications could go into multiple directions. But to pitch it as "gen" when there is sex...it's possible...but hairy as far as label (sexual situations?)
If they'd done it on the show (*eyes BtS*), shippers would definitely claim it as a shippy moment, even if there were no consequences (no reassignments, no babies, no relationship, no Big Discussion - or whatever). But I know gen fans would be able to handwave it as gen, too. ;)