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3:25 PM

Because

annerbhp's latest icon challenge got me pondering this on my bus in the morning:

Do you think that there can be non-shippy stories where Sam and Jack have sex? Or is that, by your definition, shippy?

As you know, Bob, there's not really a great deal of Sam and Jack friendship fic out there, and the definitions can be a little hazy anyway, with the difference in intent and perception (one person's UST is another person's friendly banter).

What I mean is... gen people, could you imagine reading/writing a Sam and Jack friendship fic where they are forced into that sort of relationship? Or, Sam/Jack people, could you imagine reading/writing that kind of fic, but without the UST angle - one where it's their friendship that they have to salvage? And without a happy ending where they're given permission by the Prez to break the frat regs. *g*

(And no, this is NOT what I'm planning to do for my

jacksamfriends fic!)

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nandamai wrote:

Mar. 11th, 2009 04:02 pm (UTC)

I'm sure I've read AMTDI stories where they're friends before, and have to repair their friendship afterwards. AMTDI between people who've never had sex before would, I think, in the real world, not be likely to end up in a healthy relationship.

Stranded or slave stories could work like that, too, maybe apocafic. On earth or under regular SGC circumstances (whatever those are), hmm. I'd have to see some examples.

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pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:

Mar. 11th, 2009 04:22 pm (UTC)

Yes, AMTDI, that's more what I meant. They are out there, then? And yes, I agree, friends generally would have a hard time with that - and Sam and Jack in particular, given the command structure, their personalities, etc etc.

I can't particularly picture it under regular SGC circumstances - I mean, I'm thinking more of AMTDI than friends with benefits (choosing to be in a relationship-beyond-mere-friendship, vs. forced).

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nandamai wrote:

Mar. 11th, 2009 04:27 pm (UTC)

They are out there, then?

They are, but I sure can't remember where! And the jury is out of course on whether non-S/J fans would read them differently than you or I would.

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pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:

Mar. 11th, 2009 04:48 pm (UTC)

You know, slight side track, but I was thinking of your recent one, Ecstasis, as friendship fic. A... sophisticated version of friends-with-benefits? (Um - I mean that very much as a compliment...) It seemed like they were all still in a friendship relationship, rather than shippy.

Or OT4, team ship. :)

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nandamai wrote:

Mar. 11th, 2009 04:59 pm (UTC)

Thanks. I meant it more as friendship than ship. I don't think, in the Ecstasis universe, that any of them are involved with each other as couples or threesomes, or that there's much romance in what they do together. But I left it open, so people could decide for themselves.

I think in some ways it's easier to have friendship + sex in a multiple, because you have to set aside your ship assumptions going into it. I'm thinking also of

astolat's A Lapse of Gravity, where it starts as friendship and they decide later that they want more.

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