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Just out of curiosity...

  • Sep. 9th, 2008 at 1:30 PM
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Kissing - in fics, I mean - in public, with everyone watching. Woo, yay, announce it to the world, celebrate their love, big finish, Window of Opportunity-style?
 
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OMG flailingly embarrassing, please don't do that, the characters would never do that, make it stop, argh?

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[identity profile] sg-fignewton.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 12:45 pm (UTC)
::points smugly at icon::

In some cases, it's actually canon. :)

I seem to recall Ishta and Teal'c sharing a farewell kiss in the Gateroom, too.

Truth be told, though, I think it's hugely OOC in most cases. Something that personal and important deserves to be cherished as private. But it really does depend on circumstances and characterization.
[identity profile] beanpot.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 12:51 pm (UTC)
**Points up**

What she said.

Of course I am currently in the OMG PRIVATE as twice this week, when I took the dog out for a walk, there was a couple having the good night kiss in front of the driveway. And when I returned an hour later- they were still there.

I give points for stamina but geesh...
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 01:13 pm (UTC)
Heh. Yes. With you on that. Get a room.
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 01:05 pm (UTC)
So, Daniel's done it, Teal'c's done it, and Jack and Sam have sort of done it. Hah. I never realised they were such exhibitionists. *g*

Yeah, despite that, I'm tending towards OOC, too. Not under every circumstance, and they could be the kissee rather than the kisser - but on the whole, I'm not a fan. (In private, on the other hand... *g*)
[identity profile] binkii822.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 08:35 pm (UTC)
Truth be told, though, I think it's hugely OOC in most cases. Something that personal and important deserves to be cherished as private. But it really does depend on circumstances and characterization

Yes! That thing Fig said!
[identity profile] shutthef-up.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 02:05 pm (UTC)
Continuing with the pointing.

But yes, most of the time, it's OOC. I think when it's as rare as it was in SG-1, it was done well, but for the most part, no. An excess of kissing kind of freaks me out.
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)
An excess of kissing kind of freaks me out.

Heh. Me, not so much - BUT, then again, it's highly dependent on the circumstances, the writing... I have a fondness for fics with lots of kissing, but I also love fics where there's absolutely no kissing for the majority of it, but where you know it's all leading up to the Big Kiss at the end. I'm a sucker for that.
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[identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 02:26 pm (UTC)
Depends on the characters, the situation, the type of kiss, the type of 'public', the stage of the relationship, and so on. ;-)
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 03:52 pm (UTC)
Picky, picky, picky... ;) Okay, I'm thinking of the kind of WoO kiss (feel free to mentally substitute Jack/Daniel), but without it being time-looped so no one remembers. The big, romatic kiss at the end, in front of General Hammond, the SGC, Walter throwing paper in the air... all that.
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[identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 08:01 pm (UTC)
I can't think of any time a kiss like that is appropriate unless the couple is trying to get a laugh from someone, even just each other. It's far too camp no matter *who* it is.
[identity profile] a-loquita.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 02:33 pm (UTC)
The only time I did it in a fic was when the character was doing it on purpose for a very specific reason. I had that Daniel was getting annoyed with Carter that she *still* hadn't told the new team members about her relationship and Jack. So Sam kinda layed one on Jack as a way to "make the announcement" in a funny, silly way. Unless it's done as a joke, or there's some other unusual reason, I think it doesn't seem like something our characters would do.

But they could try to hide it and not be all that successful... like, for example, Sam takes Pete around a car and out of the eyesight of others in order to have a private conversation in Affinity. But all it would take is for someone to come around the car and they'd see the two of them lip-locked. (ugh. Why do I make myself think about that episode? I apparently like to torture myself...)
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 04:02 pm (UTC)
Unless it's done as a joke, or there's some other unusual reason, I think it doesn't seem like something our characters would do.

Yes. Exactly. I don't really think of them - any of them - as being exhibitionists. On the other hand, they're not shy. They'll be loud and public, if it's needed.

And yes, there is the unintentional public kissing aspect. But in that, the intent of the characters is to keep it private - even if they're a bit careless in the heat of the moment, it's not their intention to be seen.
[identity profile] 6beforelunch.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 02:59 pm (UTC)
I agree with [livejournal.com profile] tejas, there are way too many variables to make a blanket statement.

I do have a slight fic kink for characters sharing a kiss thinking they're alone and being discovered, but that's something else entirely. (And if anyone ever writes me Daniel and Vala being beamed up to the bridge of Odyssey in the middle of a passionate kiss and everything that follows, I will shower them with praise and virtual cookies.)
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 04:08 pm (UTC)
Bah. But I like blanket statements! They're so cuddly. *g*

I was thinking of it because of a fic - it was a kind of light, romantic fic, which seemed to be leading up to a kiss, but there was two ways it could go: A and B kiss in front of everyone, as kind of the answer to a dare, or A and B disappear off and do their kissing in private. The first option seemed more likely, given the circumstances, but the idea made me flail somewhat. The second option needed a bit more finessing before it seemed logical that A and B could disappear.
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[personal profile] rydra_wong wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 04:05 pm (UTC)
Pondering this: what really bugs me in fics is often the reaction of the onlookers.

I mean, Jack&Sam or Jack&Daniel smooch lengthily in the middle of the gateroom, with tongues -- and we're supposed to believe that Hammond, the rest of SG-1, the SFs, that team of Marines over there, Walter, and everybody else all stand around admiringly going, "Gosh, what a lovely couple" or "How fortunate that the President granted them a Special Dispensation to get married because they're just so important to the planet!"

And nobody's ever going, "Um, professionalism much?" or "Jeez, could they hurry it up? It's been half an hour and we're supposed to be on P3X-WTF for an alien fertility ritual ..."

Unless it's actually a wedding or some other context where public smooching is an implicit part of the deal, my sympathy is usually with the people going, "Just get a room already."
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 04:21 pm (UTC)
I had a mental image the other day of that sort of badfic Gateroom kiss - replete with paper thrown in the air, cheering, applause, Air Persons doing handstands and cartwheels in the background...

Mm - yes. The idea that the rest of the SGC are, en masse, as invested as the author in the couple is a bit of a dubious one. I think at least one member of SG-1 could be counted on to be spectacularly obnoxious about it, for a start (what're friends for). And the Marines would probably be calling out rude suggestions... it just wouldn't be all that romantic, really. *g*
[identity profile] supplyship.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 05:27 pm (UTC)
"Air Persons" - hee!

I would read that Gateroom Kiss story (especially since *you* are writing it). Sometimes you just gotta go with the Big Kiss at the end. Might not be romantic, but could be funny! :D

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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 10th, 2008 01:49 pm (UTC)
Hey, I didn't say I'm writing it! I was just thinking about it. Because I like to think about teh pritty people kissing. *g* But now I kind of really want to try to write the Big Gateroom Kiss, and make it believable. Not parody. I'm not sure it's possible...
[identity profile] beanpot.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 05:04 pm (UTC)
"How fortunate that the President granted them a Special Dispensation to get married because they're just so important to the planet!"

But but - it's one tue lub!! And the president clearly understands this and is oh so much a romantic that he spends all day writing poems about flowers and sunshine. And don't forget the one person who HATES the couple (even though he/she is their best friends and teammate) and stands to the side and plots their revenge.

I do think my absolute favorite is when the President writes a special dispensation to get married AND Don't Ask Don't Tell.
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[identity profile] holdouttrout.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 04:58 pm (UTC)
Hmmm...it really just depends. If it's done in character, I can buy it. Otherwise it's a back button and a two-penny rant. :-)
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 07:47 pm (UTC)
Heh. Well, okay, there is that way of looking at it... :)
[identity profile] annerbhp.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 05:50 pm (UTC)
Public kisses are one thing, kissing in front of the entire gateroom (especially if it is for the first time, and/or there are no extenuating circumstances, i.e. AMTDI or a dare) is quite another. I've rarely seen gateroom kissage done in character. But if I trusted anyone to pull it off, I'd trust you! :)
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 10th, 2008 01:59 pm (UTC)
True - they're quite different. Kissing in front of General Hammond and the rest of the team takes nerves of steel. And the ability to momentarily forget that they will mock you for all eternity.

And, aw, shucks! *g*
[identity profile] majorsamfan.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 9th, 2008 06:47 pm (UTC)
ZOMGosh *flail* if Sam/Jack. He's too intensely private and so is she.

Except under alien influence, of course. :D

Or possibly getting carried away with the wedding kiss, but still...I don't think so.
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 10th, 2008 02:06 pm (UTC)
Ah, alien influence... it's a great leveller. Yeah - it's only really exceptional circumstances that I can envisage Sam and/or Jack getting carried away. They're both very self-controlled, very aware of their surroundings, and not fond of overt shows of emotion (especially Jack).

Thank heavens for those wacky alien drugs. *g*
[identity profile] annienau08.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 10th, 2008 03:32 am (UTC)
I have to agree with everyone else - unless there's a very specific, logical reason for it, then I just roll my eyes and cringe. It's just...not them.

And a special 'OMG yes' to Rydra's comment. I hate that in so many fics everyone stands up and cheers when Sam and Jack (or the pairing of your choice) start making out in front of everyone. I find it especially out of character for Daniel. He might be cheering on the inside, but he would so be mocking them on the outside.
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Sep. 10th, 2008 02:14 pm (UTC)
He might be cheering on the inside, but he would so be mocking them on the outside.

Hee. And I love him for that. *g* SG-1 wouldn't be half as fun if they were earnest and sincere and emotionally unguarded all the time.

The wedding scene in 200, although it was somewhat of a shipper's fantasy (well, theoretically... if it were less pink, I for one would've liked it better), did make flail and cover my eyes.

And then I rewound and watched it again, but still. :)

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