Thank goodness for StargateWiki and for 'previously on's, because my season 9 set is at the bottom of a box, and I can't be bothered to go dig it out just to watch the last episode. Also, the name makes me want to mutter, "It's only a model." So I was glad, for once, of exposition talk. Sam floating in space, calling out for any survivors, was a really cool way to open it. Her and Cam's relief as they got back in contact, not knowing if they should be mourning Daniel - or indeed Teal'c - was really sweet.
The fact that, of all the people on all those ships that got blown up, SG-1 were (sometimes) the sole survivors struck me as, well, pretty damn unlikely - but nevermind, they're the stars of the show, and one can't expect them to get blown up in between seasons. But, still. Daniel could've died - it never sticks with him, so it's not like... Anyhow.
Vala, aside from a moment of anxiety when the baby was taken away, seemed remarkably blasé about her child being the Orici, out to kill everyone in this galaxy, etc. Giving Adria the name of a hated stepmother? It seemed all very emotionally throwaway. I kept wondering what they'd do if it were, say, Sam having the baby - I don't think they'd have made her quite so uninvolved. I think the writing does Vala a disservice, even though I did find it funny, particularly when she was telling Daniel about it. (How they'd play it if it were one of the boys having the baby, I don't know, and would never find out, because at that point I would be switching off and bleaching my brain.)
Cam got my admiration for standing up to Bra'tac, even though I did think he was in for a major ass-kicking later. And Daniel's decision to grab for Vala rather than Adria was, I thought, typical Daniel: deal with the current problem, and expect that you'll be able to sort out the more major, long-term problem at some future point. And then he did his coldblooded, "She's not a child" thing, and made me think more about that discussion last week on![[profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
sg_fignewton's LJ about Jack and the team and kids, especially the Reece issue. Could Daniel really have killed Adria-as-a-child? Well, he didn't... I think he'd avoid it at all costs, because he's all about working for the best possible outcome, even if no one else thinks it's possible - but if he had to do it, I didn't think he'd feel especially guilty about the fact that she looks like a child.
So! Ark of Truth is making a lot more sense, now. :)
Also,holdouttrout and I held a mini, impromptu rewatch of 200, yesterday, and that episode just rocks. I just love the invisible scenes, and the puppets, and young!SG-1, and Teal'c, P.I., and Vala's attempts at storytelling, and the zombies, and all the technical talk, and.... And that wedding scene is so, SO wrong, and yet, a part of my shippy little heart can't help but get squeeful about it anyway. *g*
The fact that, of all the people on all those ships that got blown up, SG-1 were (sometimes) the sole survivors struck me as, well, pretty damn unlikely - but nevermind, they're the stars of the show, and one can't expect them to get blown up in between seasons. But, still. Daniel could've died - it never sticks with him, so it's not like... Anyhow.
Vala, aside from a moment of anxiety when the baby was taken away, seemed remarkably blasé about her child being the Orici, out to kill everyone in this galaxy, etc. Giving Adria the name of a hated stepmother? It seemed all very emotionally throwaway. I kept wondering what they'd do if it were, say, Sam having the baby - I don't think they'd have made her quite so uninvolved. I think the writing does Vala a disservice, even though I did find it funny, particularly when she was telling Daniel about it. (How they'd play it if it were one of the boys having the baby, I don't know, and would never find out, because at that point I would be switching off and bleaching my brain.)
Cam got my admiration for standing up to Bra'tac, even though I did think he was in for a major ass-kicking later. And Daniel's decision to grab for Vala rather than Adria was, I thought, typical Daniel: deal with the current problem, and expect that you'll be able to sort out the more major, long-term problem at some future point. And then he did his coldblooded, "She's not a child" thing, and made me think more about that discussion last week on
sg_fignewton's LJ about Jack and the team and kids, especially the Reece issue. Could Daniel really have killed Adria-as-a-child? Well, he didn't... I think he'd avoid it at all costs, because he's all about working for the best possible outcome, even if no one else thinks it's possible - but if he had to do it, I didn't think he'd feel especially guilty about the fact that she looks like a child.So! Ark of Truth is making a lot more sense, now. :)
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holdouttrout and I held a mini, impromptu rewatch of 200, yesterday, and that episode just rocks. I just love the invisible scenes, and the puppets, and young!SG-1, and Teal'c, P.I., and Vala's attempts at storytelling, and the zombies, and all the technical talk, and.... And that wedding scene is so, SO wrong, and yet, a part of my shippy little heart can't help but get squeeful about it anyway. *g* ---
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Season 1 - Season 5 Daniel? Nope. Season 7 - Season 8 Daniel? Very likely nope. Season 9 Daniel? *maybe*
But after "Threads" and after coming against the Ori in early season 9 and ESPECIALLY after meeting Anubis's power-mad clone stepson, this Daniel is very different. He Does Not Like the fine lines and games the Ori/Ancients play and does not tolerate the loopholes and I don't think he sees Adria as a child and I'm not sure *this* Daniel would be able to imagine an outcome that was okay and didn't involve Adria being dead.
As for Vala? I can see what you mean. At the same time, I think we saw more genuine emotion from her in this episode than we do in a lot of episodes and I think she's just so incredibly good at hiding and covering up how she's feeling, and this is that all over again. I actually really like the interplay we get during Season 10 of Daniel and Vala and Adria - the comparisons that are and aren't made to Sha're and how Vala really feels about it all.
Yay season 10! Yay Ark of Truth making sense! (also, um, you're coming up on the pair of S10 episodes that are, IMO, among the worst episodes SG-1 ever made. Get through them. It gets MUCH BETTER!)
Hi! *squishes you*
I assume you mean the two non-Daniel ones?
And WORD that Daniel has had it up to HERE with the Ori and the Ancients and the rules and the cheating. Oh, yeah, he would've killed Adria if he'd really had the chance.
But it also had, um, the two I think I've blocked (which, yes, I think didn't have Daniel) um...*looks up* Insiders and Uninvited and Family Ties (which is definitely in my bottom 3 episodes of all time)) though all of them had really good moments so...
But, yes, on the Daniel thing. If Adria had been supernatural but not Ori/Ancient, it wouldn't have been the same. But after Khalek and Anubis and everything? He'd have done it.
(I seem to remember good Sam and Vala moments also)
Cam has had that effect on me at times. Which is odd, because in general, I don't find him particularly attractive. But every now and then, he's kind of... stunning. :)
Contrast those with the two non-Daniel eps in the first half of the season, which I thankfully skipped. Ugh.
Just goes to show that it has to be a really good ep to survive without Daniel... ;)
I liked the interplay between Vala and Daniel this ep, and there were moments when Vala and Adria together were good, but... well, I was thinking it was all fixable / handwaveable in fanfic. :) Yeah, maybe she was covering up her feelings - and she is supposed to be an expert at that... If they do something later to acknowledge that she has feelings about the whole situation, I'll happily accept that as an explanation.
Worst eps ever? Hm. Okay, I shall persevere. *g*
Hi! *squishes you back* Hope it's going okay!
That's the thing - I don't think he things of Adria as a child. She wasn't conceived naturally (but forced upon a woman he grudgingly cared about) and she is a tool created by evil (in his mind) beings to create a loophole to kill and repress a lot of people. I think he very carefully doesn't think of her in human or child terms (did he learn that ability from Jack?)
I agree with you about Daniel-as-negotiator, but he has limits and this is a big one.
Oh, they definitely acknowledge the Vala-and-Adria thing, and mostly to my satisfaction actually.
And you will persevere! I promise there is WAY more good than bad and even the bad has good bits.
In a way, some of those things could be applied to Reece. She was built rather than born, and although she's not a tool created by evil, she's the one creating the evil menace that is threatening the entire galaxy. Okay, in Reece's case, she didn't mean any harm, at first, and she's kind of an innocent - she was made 'wrong' - whereas Adria is the opposite in that she's doing it from a position of plenty of knowledge. But still - Adria didn't choose to be created, and there's a possibility there that the human side of her, the side that Vala feels she has a connection with, can be talked around. Daniel's changed - but it's to Stargate's credit that they let characters evolve like that. He does seem to have taken up Jack's attitude towards threats to the galaxy. Someone has to do it, I guess.
Actually, I have a half-baked theory that I must post about soon, about SG-1 and the way they exchange roles...
It takes quite a while to reach a conclusion, and I'll be quite interested to see which one you accept, in the end.
And I look forward to your exchanging-role meta, because it's a by-product of team. They wouldn't have been able to do it in early years, before they rubbed off on each other, so to speak.