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Stargate S10 thorts.

  • Jul. 27th, 2008 at 9:54 PM
pepper: Pepperpot (Vala)
So, Stargate season 10. I want to go find other people's observations (and, hey, if anyone wants to link me to theirs, I'd be very grateful!), but before I do, let me give you my thoughts, gratis, on the first episode.

Thank goodness for StargateWiki and for 'previously on's, because my season 9 set is at the bottom of a box, and I can't be bothered to go dig it out just to watch the last episode. Also, the name makes me want to mutter, "It's only a model." So I was glad, for once, of exposition talk. Sam floating in space, calling out for any survivors, was a really cool way to open it. Her and Cam's relief as they got back in contact, not knowing if they should be mourning Daniel - or indeed Teal'c - was really sweet.

The fact that, of all the people on all those ships that got blown up, SG-1 were (sometimes) the sole survivors struck me as, well, pretty damn unlikely - but nevermind, they're the stars of the show, and one can't expect them to get blown up in between seasons. But, still. Daniel could've died - it never sticks with him, so it's not like... Anyhow.

Vala, aside from a moment of anxiety when the baby was taken away, seemed remarkably blasé about her child being the Orici, out to kill everyone in this galaxy, etc. Giving Adria the name of a hated stepmother? It seemed all very emotionally throwaway. I kept wondering what they'd do if it were, say, Sam having the baby - I don't think they'd have made her quite so uninvolved. I think the writing does Vala a disservice, even though I did find it funny, particularly when she was telling Daniel about it. (How they'd play it if it were one of the boys having the baby, I don't know, and would never find out, because at that point I would be switching off and bleaching my brain.)

Cam got my admiration for standing up to Bra'tac, even though I did think he was in for a major ass-kicking later. And Daniel's decision to grab for Vala rather than Adria was, I thought, typical Daniel: deal with the current problem, and expect that you'll be able to sort out the more major, long-term problem at some future point. And then he did his coldblooded, "She's not a child" thing, and made me think more about that discussion last week on [profile] sg_fignewton's LJ about Jack and the team and kids, especially the Reece issue. Could Daniel really have killed Adria-as-a-child? Well, he didn't... I think he'd avoid it at all costs, because he's all about working for the best possible outcome, even if no one else thinks it's possible - but if he had to do it, I didn't think he'd feel especially guilty about the fact that she looks like a child.

So! Ark of Truth is making a lot more sense, now. :)

Also, [personal profile] holdouttrout and I held a mini, impromptu rewatch of 200, yesterday, and that episode just rocks. I just love the invisible scenes, and the puppets, and young!SG-1, and Teal'c, P.I., and Vala's attempts at storytelling, and the zombies, and all the technical talk, and.... And that wedding scene is so, SO wrong, and yet, a part of my shippy little heart can't help but get squeeful about it anyway. *g*

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My laptop is overheating, and I know how it feels. Sheesh.

Comments

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[identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 27th, 2008 09:42 pm (UTC)
Daniel can be far more cold blooded than the others could ever hope to be, because Daniel is a True Believer. Once he decides what the proper course of action is, he *will* carry through and then he'll sleep well that night because he'll have worked through every permutation and determined that it really is the best course of action. That his moral/ethical center is dead set on the high end of GOOD rather than even over on the edge closer to NEUTRAL, is the only thing that keeps him from being seriously dangerous to the rest of us. He really *should* have shot Adria when he had the chance, but they had him wait and that was out of character. It was a poor directorial choice, I think, rather than a writing problem.

And yes, Vala was already on her downward slide as a believable character in this one.
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[identity profile] pepper-field.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 27th, 2008 10:13 pm (UTC)
I don't know about him sleeping well afterwards - I tend to think he'd be sad, wish he could've convinced whoever to not push it to that point, etc - but yes, I think he does decide what is right, and then go and do it, by golly.

I don't think he'd reached that point with Adria, myself - Vala was talking about possible ways to turn her, and Daniel does put off deciding to take lethal action to the last possible minute, to try to find a peaceable solution first. Scorched Earth being the case in point that I always go back to - he prevents action being taken, because he thinks they can find another solution.
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[identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 27th, 2008 11:11 pm (UTC)
I think, especially after Kalek, that him not shooting Adria pretty much on sight was massively out of character. Once he knew what she was, I don't see him standing by and letting her live. He's already learned that lesson the hard way.

I think there would be regret that it had to be that way, but I don't think he'd let it bother him too much.

I'm finding myself more and more in almost complete denial over S9 and S10 because of this sort of stuff.
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[identity profile] dunv-i.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 27th, 2008 11:27 pm (UTC)
But at the same time, Daniel has a very emotional attachment to his archenemies. Kalek, IMO at least, earned that sudden and intense hatred because he was essentially Anubis, whom Daniel has, er, less than nice feelings for; I think he attaches Anubis with Oma's problems, and of course with the destruction of Abydos. Similarly, the Goauld Daniel I think had the most intense hatred for was Anubis, because of the emotional attachment through Sha're. There wasn't any of that emotional element yet with Adria.

In my own opinion, of course.
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[identity profile] tejas.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 28th, 2008 02:53 am (UTC)
I don't see Daniel that ruled by his emotions. I see him far more ruled by his intellect.
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[identity profile] dunv-i.livejournal.com wrote:
Jul. 28th, 2008 12:14 pm (UTC)
I don't think his emotions make any difference as to who is his enemy, I think his emotions make a difference as to the choices and intensity. He doesn't let his emotions rule him, but if his analysis says it's worthy, his hatred can come out to play. I can't think of anyone who he's been 'shoot on sight' with who hasn't had a seriously personal interaction with him before. Does that make sense?
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[personal profile] aelfgyfu_mead wrote:
Jul. 27th, 2008 11:38 pm (UTC)
I'm with you here: I think Daniel never does reach the point of sleeping well after he has taken a life. He was furious at Woolsey because he felt Woolsey forced him into a position where he had to kill Khalek, and Khalek was a full adult; I think Daniel would find it far harder to kill Adria. It's a lot easier to say you should have killed someone once it's out of your hands than actually to do it.

Perhaps I'm misremembering, but I thought Vala was really burying her feelings about Adria, which come back later, repeatedly. Maybe I imagined it, but maybe you'll see it in later episodes.

Season 10 didn't do a whole lot for me, overall, and I looked back to find that in fact I don't seem to have done any posts on specific episodes! There are a few good ones, though, I thought.

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